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05/12/06 22:26
Little report from Croatia
Hello everybody.
In last time things where rather intense in Croatian cyber politics. Yet, I have to notice it is 2:0 for forums of Croatia :-)
First thing.
Faculty of philosophy with about 5 000 students has rather developed internet community that estimates about 800 nicks with 100 or more posts. Some profesors post there, and they can se open critics from virtual users. At that internet community, as I do remember, all initiatives that came from students, came form that forum excatly. There was a typical example, when history teacher wrote at media some rather suspicious article about Izrael last occupation and when the topic was started, people started to wonder about credibility of that teacher, so he had to come up to that forum (even he ignored it for a while) and try to give arguments for that writings. All in all, we are talking about powerful and influentive network that can not possibly be ignored.
So, administration tried to close forum for anonyimus users and all those who are not from that faculty, aka they tried to establish control over things that where wrote. But, reaction of people from forum was rather explosive and precise. In continous deliberation process leaders of this ad hoc initiative where adopting arguments from all, some more experienced members obtain important (legal, media tactics, direct action organisation, info about beraucracy, keeping koherence of initiative etc.), so all forum was very fast about delegations, about exact steps and so on. There was some media articles at newspapers, media started pushing this topic more and more, petition was orgnised etc. I was pretty impresed by the whole process where about 100 people succeed to be that organized without any training, nor ad hoc organizational experience, which was really awesome.
This strong reaction of forum rather soon (I think it was 5-6 days from announcement) made administration give up from the whole thing. What I am talking about is that forum came up to the RL succeeding in protection of its own right to exist!
So, it is 1:0 for Forum.
Second thing.
In the same time at fmsdp.org (youth socialists party) there was a try of media lynch of a user who said she admires Hitler’s power and domination. So, there where several articles, party leader said some things, major TV news had report about it, etc. What I can notice in that story was somebodies interest to quiet up TOP communication and force up autocensorhips that are rather important part of keeping current oligarchical power structure. What is interesting also, a few days before I mentioned to them that media can be interested only into lame scandals, not into things that make people suffer (corruption apheres that come up from forum, very strong oposition to current party leader at TOP, etc) as long as their leader is in good contact to the media owners, so he can watch out what to let go (in oreder of his own personal interests, of course) and that thing excatly happened.
Though, when this thing started, all forum showed strong support to Moca as long as nobody noticed non legitimate attitude (after all, someones capabilities are not moral category) plus obvious madia/political lynch over that user. Forum stood up and now Moca has full support to press charges to those who started this hoax. What I have to notice is that president of organisation did not stood up for the Moca (who is actually high functioner of fmsdp), but he decided to relativise, instead of standing up for just action, especially as long as his own member was attacked. Racan (president) got down in this all aphere, which means it is
2:0 for Forum.
Seems as forums got pretty strong thing in political life, especialy as they notice untouchability for current political tactics that is tradicionaly used. It all leads me to think that TOP decision can be eliminated only by other TOP decision as long as TOP decisions are far more superior and legitimate that non-TOP decisions that still run the political process. It might even seem to be that our politicians and corrupted parts of social establishment got pretty endangered by forum. So, what to say, but that it was actual time.
Of course, there is a lot of more things to do, but forums reputation in our political life got pretty much up. And nobody actually knows is it possible otherwise due to autopoitetic principle of society :-)
ATB;
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Very interesting, Gordan!
I think the same story could occur anywhere in the “free” world in fact.
And it puts really the finger on how powerful a TOP-certified forum/organization can be.
And how endangered some establishments must feel..
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Hey Magnus!
There have been many more campaigns to put Internet under control over these days, yet, I havent noticed such effective response of the users to keep it free.
It is really encouraging moment, indeed.
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