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[top-politics] Re: Definition of TOP - Systematization
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M: Yes, but you are spreading the accountability way too thinly. :( > >mG: -This is claimed by you, please proove it. > > I could argue that the people of Switzerland, or Socrates probably > > wouldn’t agree with you. > > >-M: When two wolves and one sheep vote for whats for dinner, the wolves > are not accountable to the sheep. Do you want to be the sheep? > Likewise, do you want to be ruled by lemmings?mG:[...] the comparison with wolfs and sheep is nonsence since we are discussing equal righted humans…
-M: Which is why, with SD2-S, that everyone initially has equal voting power.
SD2-S is democratic-republicanism.mG:...with possibility to be anonymous. And the bill of rights is not existent for the sheep. Neither are there laws, TOP or media to cover the dinner of the wolfes.
-M: If AD uses the lemming algorithm, then the wolves can dupe the lemmings into a dinner.
mG: But not all can be solved by expendable top. Some issues are best handled by broad participation…
-M: ”...broad participation…” can be useful, and this is allowed and even encouraged by SD2-S.
mG: -Well, whats mainly encouraged in SD2 is voting for a rep. I would say. AD is doing it the other way around, with the possibility for a delegate. But this is my last comparison with systems that actually can bothe be options in a future TOP organization or country government. This debate is not leading to anywhere.
-M: You said “SD2” – and yes, this is for selecting reps. But the system I am talking about is SD2-S, which has specialists for every issue,
so this functions much like your ‘delegates’ of AD. Again, I don’t see the comparison.-M: In a DD, the lemmings are not accountable to the other lemmings and non-lemmings, just as with the wolf/sheep example. (I got this from the revolutionary Ben Franklin.)
mG: -Ben was wrong and he knew it.
-M: Franklin and Hamilton were the best anti-imperialists this world has seen.
Gandhi and Nehru were populistic wussies by comparison.mG: He just needed to justify his own and other reps. future power. There is no logic in this since the lemmings in a RD are not neither accountable to each other. So they can go and elect Hitler.
-M: Again, the debate isn’t RD vs DD, its lemming-algorithm vs Markov-algorithms,
and in the above example it is the lemming-algorithm which selected Hitler.
So this is a point against you, and not me.mG: By contrast either you or Franklin has a similar example to show for DD. Just BS theory frankly.
-M: You keep attacking L-RD. You are attacking the lemming algorithm which supports DD. I will let you continue to whup yourself.
mG: -The people will never allow corruption if they see it and a possibility to remove it, this is prooven many times in history…
-M: EVERY SINGLE FORM OF CORRUPTION, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, HAS BEEN CORRUPTION ALLOWED BY THE PEOPLE.
mG: -As smart as saying that a burglar would meet no resistance in peoples homes. Explain why anybody would accept stealing of his property?
-M: Ignorance and lack of vigilence. This is why intelligent and vigilent people must be selected to lead government.
This is why SD2-S has a peer-endorsement algorithm.-M: Its your BS. What is needed is a mechanism to find those that are counter-corruption because the people as a mass can’t do it.
mG: -It will be impossible within a true TOP organization to steal. Your problem is how a rep can be fully TOP since he can’t be followed and tapped 24/7. Concentate on solving that instead.
-M: I envision SD2-S to be TOP complient, so you aren’t making a comparison again.
mG: Maybe your invented people of lemmmings acts differently.
-M: No differently than their lemminghood of history.
mG: -???Empty words again about the history. Where are the relevant examples?
-M: The bottom 50% percent of income earners in the world own only 1% of the world.
This is a result of lemmingism.shanti
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