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[top-politics] Re: PageRank is *Fractional Approval Asset Voting* with unlimited proxy depth.
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Lomax wrote:
> Mark wrote: > >-M: It is about being right.
>L: Mark apparently believes that he can assign whatever meaning he wants > to words,…
-M: Yes, I can.
>L:…he seems to have no concept that language is a community > affair.
-M: “…community…” – by what measure?
>L: He imagines that he can be “right” all by himself, manipulating his own symbols and being pleased with them.
-M: In an intersubjective context, as long as I follow the rule structures, that is what counts. In a subjective context, I can still be right on my own. Its still up to y’all to have ears to hear the truth.
>L: But truth is not actually in symbols and the relationships of symbols, and the > truth of a communication does not exist apart from the recipient.
-M: This is why its not my job to be convincing, its other’s job to be convinced when the truth is presented to them.
>L: Mark also imagines that I am debating with him.
-M: As I said, you are presenting positions and counterpositions, this is debate.
Please maintain continuity by not ignoring my points.>L: No, I’m commenting, and he is not my audience, though he can be a member of the audience, if he likes. This is not a secret from him, though he can obfuscate it for himself if he chooses.
-M: After all of this, where have you challenged SD2-S and/or its theorectical underpinnings? Are you being a DODGE-MONKEY?
I still have standing points.
How about addressing those?
How about serving the field instead of fucking with an expert?shanti
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At 05:18 PM 11/18/2006, Mark wrote:
> > >-M: It is about being right. > > >L: Mark apparently believes that he can assign whatever meaning he wants > > to words,… > >-M: Yes, I can.
Right. He can. His purpose is not communication, but “being right.” If his purpose in writing were communication, he would use the language of the recipient, unless possibly he always defines terms he is using outside the meanings used by the audience (which makes it more difficult for the audience.)
He is here, not to communicate with us, but to create a record of his “being right.”
I frequently fail to communicate with people; I am often writing something which is outside the boxes they know. But I consider it my responsibility to take this into account, wherever I can. That is, my purpose is communication, not “being right.” Of course I try to be right, but that is not how I choose my language, when I am paying attention. If the communication fails, my first assumption should be that I did not say it in a way that the audience could understand. Of course, I’m just like everyone else, I can easily assume that the problem is that they are idiots.
Or lemmings.
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Lomax wrote:
> Mark wrote: > > > >-M: It is about being right. > > > > >L: Mark apparently believes that he can assign whatever meaning he wants > > > to words,… > > > >-M: Yes, I can.
>L: Right. He can. His purpose is not communication, but “being right.” > If his purpose in writing were communication, he would use the > language of the recipient,…
-M: I do use the language of the recipient.
>L:… unless possibly he always defines terms he > is using outside the meanings used by the audience (which makes it > more difficult for the audience.) He is here, not to communicate with us, but to create a record of his “being right.” I frequently fail to communicate with people;
-M: My audience is not commoners. It is those in the field of systems design.
My audience is those who show their worthiness by either already knowing technical terms,
or have the will to use Google.>L: I am often writing something which is outside the boxes they know. But I consider it my > responsibility to take this into account, wherever I can. That is, my > purpose is communication,…
-M: It is also your responsibility to communicate in a point-by-point format to maintain the linearity and continuity of discourse.
>L: not “being right.” Of course I try to be right, but that is not how I choose my language, when I am paying attention. If the communication fails, my first assumption should > be that I did not say it in a way that the audience could understand. > Of course, I’m just like everyone else, I can easily assume that the > problem is that they are idiots. Or lemmings.
-M: …Or unworthy.
shanti
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