[top-politics] Re: TOP oriented to individual, not organisation

illegale — 2006-12-10 23:28:25+0100

MG wrote:

> >> More practical to have the party certifed as I see it.
>
> >Hmnh. There is a fundamental problem between our aproaches. You want to
> make certificate for an average Joe who is not even interested in
> politics in this very time and I want to enable those who are
> politically active right now to empower them with this certification.
> So, as long as we have different focus groups, it seems we will have
> different products too.
>
> -Well, there is no need to certify all members expressing their will in
> an AD-system.
> For delegates or more powerful adminstrators there is indeed.
> But all working inside an AD-organization on a higher level that zero
> (citizen) should be obliged to follow TOP-principles.
> The only difference I see is that you rely more on todays politicians
> and organizations and I more on a competing organization, aimed to take
> ower in the future.
> So, sure, there can be different options in this, too.

Indeed. And it should be, actually. We are far from the moment when we
sould reach concensus based on experience and wider knowledge.

> >Whoever makes it, it will be some good progress from this very moment
>
> -Yes!
> Shall we now form a formal, international organization TOP, to which
> all certified organizations can connect and be connected as long as
> they fulfill TOP as upheld and defined by this international
> organzation?

[top-politics] Re: TOP oriented to individual, not organisation

Magnus — 2006-12-05 23:52:57+0100

>> More practical to have the party certifed as I see it.

>Hmnh. There is a fundamental problem between our aproaches. You want to
make certificate for an average Joe who is not even interested in
politics in this very time and I want to enable those who are
politically active right now to empower them with this certification.
So, as long as we have different focus groups, it seems we will have
different products too.

-Well, there is no need to certify all members expressing their will in
an AD-system.

For delegates or more powerful adminstrators there is indeed.
But all working inside an AD-organization on a higher level that zero
(citizen) should be obliged to follow TOP-principles.
The only difference I see is that you rely more on todays politicians
and organizations and I more on a competing organization, aimed to take
ower in the future.

So, sure, there can be different options in this, too.

>Whoever makes it, it will be some good progress from this very moment