[top-politics] Re: TOP oriented to individual, not organisation

illegale — 2006-12-10 23:28:25+0100

MG wrote:

> >> More practical to have the party certifed as I see it. > > >Hmnh. There is a fundamental problem between our aproaches. You want to > make certificate for an average Joe who is not even interested in > politics in this very time and I want to enable those who are > politically active right now to empower them with this certification. > So, as long as we have different focus groups, it seems we will have > different products too. > > -Well, there is no need to certify all members expressing their will in > an AD-system. > For delegates or more powerful adminstrators there is indeed. > But all working inside an AD-organization on a higher level that zero > (citizen) should be obliged to follow TOP-principles. > The only difference I see is that you rely more on todays politicians > and organizations and I more on a competing organization, aimed to take > ower in the future. > So, sure, there can be different options in this, too.

Indeed. And it should be, actually. We are far from the moment when we sould reach concensus based on experience and wider knowledge.

> >Whoever makes it, it will be some good progress from this very moment > > -Yes! > Shall we now form a formal, international organization TOP, to which > all certified organizations can connect and be connected as long as > they fulfill TOP as upheld and defined by this international > organzation?

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Maybe we should reach Stallman to help us out about creating such organisation. The problem I see in this very moment (in Tiaktiv) is the statute that has too many gaps not to be easily overtaken by the people that might be far from TOP. As long as this problem is not solved, I am not willing to link organisation directly to any decision we might find correct.

> Can Tiaktiv be this international org?

We in Tiaktiv are oriented towards creating structure for TOP politics. In that manner it might be good think. Yet, Tiaktiv as formal organisation is rather weak and I do not trust to its form. So, I hope we will get into contact to Stallman (he developed GNU licence) to see how could we svolve our issue in the best manner we could.

BTW. In this very time I believe we do not need any organisation for development of any TOP definition. For an example, Tiaktiv might support one definition AD develops, or vice versa. I believe this way might solve the potential problem.

ATB,
Gale

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[top-politics] Re: TOP oriented to individual, not organisation

Magnus — 2006-12-05 23:52:57+0100

>> More practical to have the party certifed as I see it.

>Hmnh. There is a fundamental problem between our aproaches. You want to make certificate for an average Joe who is not even interested in politics in this very time and I want to enable those who are politically active right now to empower them with this certification. So, as long as we have different focus groups, it seems we will have different products too.

-Well, there is no need to certify all members expressing their will in an AD-system.
For delegates or more powerful adminstrators there is indeed. But all working inside an AD-organization on a higher level that zero (citizen) should be obliged to follow TOP-principles. The only difference I see is that you rely more on todays politicians and organizations and I more on a competing organization, aimed to take ower in the future.
So, sure, there can be different options in this, too.

>Whoever makes it, it will be some good progress from this very moment

Read more… / Lire plus…

-Yes! Shall we now form a formal, international organization TOP, to which all certified organizations can connect and be connected as long as they fulfill TOP as upheld and defined by this international organzation?
Can Tiaktiv be this international org?

[top-politics] Re: TOP oriented to individual, not organisation

illegale — 2006-12-04 19:39:54+0100

MG wrote:

> >AD might be based on TOP politicians indeed. > > -But since all citizens are allowed to get membership and to decide in > all issues, this would meann to TOP-crtifty all citizens > participating.. > More practical to have the party certifed as I see it.

Hmnh. There is a fundamental problem between our aproaches. You want to make certificate for an average Joe who is not even interested in politics in this very time and I want to enable those who are politically active right now to empower them with this certification. So, as long as we have different focus groups, it seems we will have different products too.

Read more… / Lire plus…

> >Do you want to earn verification of Tiaktiv? Do you want Tiaktiv become > certificator? > > – :-) Why not? Or if we form a more self standing organization, called > TOP. > The idea of that is that all TOP certified all over the world could > participate and together withhold (keep) the values and basic ideas of > TOP.

Whoever makes it, it will be some good progress from this very moment :-) ATB,
Gale

[top-politics] Re: TOP oriented to individual, not organisation

Magnus — 2006-11-27 12:56:14+0100

>AD might be based on TOP politicians indeed.

-But since all citizens are allowed to get membership and to decide in all issues, this would meann to TOP-crtifty all citizens participating..
More practical to have the party certifed as I see it.

>Do you want to earn verification of Tiaktiv? Do you want Tiaktiv become certificator?

:-) Why not? Or if we form a more self standing organization, called TOP.
The idea of that is that all TOP certified all over the world could participate and together withhold (keep) the values and basic ideas of TOP.

Read more… / Lire plus…