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[top-politics] What does TOP mean to you?
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-Hello, I’m back again after a terrible computer crash just when we where to produce a 1 minute promotion video to be sent in Swedish television before the elections this fall…
But now we are done and I can contiue with this important international project…:-)“There is an obvious need, especially in the early stages, for non-public discussions or consultations among colleagues working on a public issue, matter or project. Perhaps, once when the official papers are finalized and presented to the appropriate authority for consideration and eventual approval, the whole process should be open and public with sufficient media coverage including the internet. “
-My comment here is that we in AD see these things very strict and that such informal consultations could be very harmful to the later stages since what’s concluded and decided in such closed halls could put a totally wrong agenda when it comes to public opinion and participation. Shortly spoken: The privilegue of problem formulae should not be kept by the inner circles.
Ofcourse none can stop informal contacts but the goal and the only formal way when to make important decisions should be fully transparent.
Think of it, what dicussions and decisions can not be held public as long as we don’t speak about nation security? (which we also could discuss since I’m a fan of the one and only worthy american president, pres. Wilson who promoted Point 1 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points ,the total open diplomacy ,in a then very non-mature environment)
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08/07/06 13:40
Magnus(1) What does TOP mean to you?
Important Notice:
Although this discussion is initiated by a group of 4 members, it is open to all. So all comments and contributions are welcome.================================================“TOP is the acronym for Transparent, Open and Public in reference to the governance of the country or in the conduct of public business. What is open and public in governance will make it transparent as well.
From the above definition, TOP clearly does not apply to private exchanges on private matters among the public officials or on public matters among private individuals.How about private exchanges on public matters by public officials? In other words, should there be a prohibition of public officials discussing public matters in private? Should all discussions on public matters be open and public?There is an obvious need, especially in the early stages, for non-public discussions or consultations among colleagues working on a public issue, matter or project. Perhaps, once when the official papers are finalized and presented to the appropriate authority for consideration and eventual approval, the whole process should be open and public with sufficient media coverage including the internet. At this point of time, public participation should be welcome and encouraged wherever practical, especially online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and with elected or appointed discussion leaders. Even at this juncture, should there be a prohibition of public officials discussing or consulting each other on public matters non-publicly?"“-My comment here is that we in AD see these things very strict and that such informal consultations could be very harmful to the later stages since what’s concluded and decided in such closed halls could put a totally wrong agenda when it comes to public opinion and participation. Shortly spoken: The privilegue of problem formulae should not be kept by the inner circles.”
For private organizations like AD, the members may decide that their organization be totally open and public, but my post is about the running of the government including the civil service (“the public service”): ”.... in reference to the governance of the country or in the conduct of public business….”. Can we have the public service that is run on a totally open and public manner? Can all the files and documents in the public service be accessable through the internet and every move of the public employee (public official) be televised. Is this feasible or even desirable?
Since we are developing concepts and procedures ultimately for the governance of a country or the public service, it is better to formulate them based on the needs and requirements of the public service and run our organizations based on them.“Ofcourse none can stop informal contacts but the goal and the only formal way when to make important decisions should be fully transparent.
Think of it, what dicussions and decisions can not be held public as long as we don’t speak about nation security?”You are right. All IMPORTANT decisions must be fully transparent.
Best Regards Erci LimMG <magnusgus@gmail.com> wrote:
-Hello, I’m back again after a terrible computer crash just when we where to produce a 1 minute promotion video to be sent in Swedish television before the elections this fall…
But now we are done and I can contiue with this important international project…:-)“There is an obvious need, especially in the early stages, for non-public discussions or consultations among colleagues working on a public issue, matter or project. Perhaps, once when the official papers are finalized and presented to the appropriate authority for consideration and eventual approval, the whole process should be open and public with sufficient media coverage including the internet. “
-My comment here is that we in AD see these things very strict and that such informal consultations could be very harmful to the later stages since what’s concluded and decided in such closed halls could put a totally wrong agenda when it comes to public opinion and participation. Shortly spoken: The privilegue of problem formulae should not be kept by the inner circles.
Ofcourse none can stop informal contacts but the goal and the only formal way when to make important decisions should be fully transparent.
Think of it, what dicussions and decisions can not be held public as long as we don’t speak about nation security? (which we also could discuss since I’m a fan of the one and only worthy american president, pres. Wilson who promoted Point 1 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points ,the total open diplomacy ,in a then very non-mature environment)
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[Latest comments by Eric]: For private organizations like AD, the members may decide that their organization be totally open and public, but my post is about the running of the government including the civil service (“the public service”): ”.... in reference to the governance of the country or in the conduct of public business….”. Can we have the public service that is run on a totally open and public manner? Can all the files and documents in the public service be accessable through the internet and every move of the public employee (public official) be televised. Is this feasible or even desirable?
Seems to me there are only concrete security issues that might not be interesting for public aproach due to their nature. I do not know is this possible or not from current political context which is the only we actually have.
Since we are developing concepts and procedures ultimately for the governance of a country or the public service, it is better to formulate them based on the needs and requirements of the public service and run our organizations based on them.
I agree. We should set up standards that can easily distinct initiatves that enable public participation from those that do not. What I have to notice here is that only thsoe organsation that enable and promote public participation can be called democratic ones. Others actually can not.
So, lets find these distincions and lets enable creation of TOP society which is foundaiton for true democracy.
ATB,
Gale
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MG wrote:
-Hello, I’m back again after a terrible computer crash just when we where to produce a 1 minute promotion video to be sent in Swedish television before the elections this fall… But now we are done and I can contiue with this important international project…:-)
Hey Magnus! Glad to see you here.
“There is an obvious need, especially in the early stages, for non-public discussions or consultations among colleagues working on a public issue, matter or project. Perhaps, once when the official papers are finalized and presented to the appropriate authority for consideration and eventual approval, the whole process should be open and public with sufficient media coverage including the internet. “
-My comment here is that we in AD see these things very strict and that such informal consultations could be very harmful to the later stages since what’s concluded and decided in such closed halls could put a totally wrong agenda when it comes to public opinion and participation. Shortly spoken: The privilegue of problem formulae should not be kept by the inner circles.
Agreed very much. What might be even more important, I find this part be the reason why so many ships sail in direction that does not lead to place it is supposed to.
ATB,
GaleOfcourse none can stop informal contacts but the goal and the only formal way when to make important decisions should be fully transparent. Think of it, what dicussions and decisions can not be held public as long as we don’t speak about nation security? (which we also could discuss since I’m a fan of the one and only worthy american president, pres. Wilson who promoted Point 1 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points ,the total open diplomacy ,in a then very non-mature environment)
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