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[top-politics] Re: Do you acknowledge this group to be a start for your initiatives on the global level?
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Magnus, I am not talking about life long attachment, just about this very moment.
This does not mean any need for group hegemony of thought, but about very idea that if you can not get any worker to your side on this list in this moment, to look for some other ideas you could do it.
This actually means that if you find in the World somebody who shares your ideas you will work on, to invite him to this group, to make your arguments more influentive, more interesting, more mind engaging to othr members of the group.
This means that you do not use this group just as one of many internet pits, but as a pit that you accept as political World content.
To show it for one exact example. I try to do something. It does not pass. I go on and in the same time I do disucss here and there with other members about oall sort of issues.But, I do not have any need to look for partnerships on this group, meaning I do not invest anything to it.
What I want is to see the group that will have tendency of political relevance. That if something goes on on the Worl level, to know what is going on, to have conrete place where I can get ingformations about it, having one place that wil offer me possibility of being adequately informed about World initiatives.
I want to get the oportunity too choose by my own mind how shall I invest my energy, with no reason to worry about being not properly informed, of inventing hot water in the moment some group of the people started doing stuff that has strenght to become World movemvent.
I do believe in political information revolution that is going to happen thanks to the internet, I want to be part of it, to be in it soon as possible and this is what I need To become hat part. Forum, group that is politicaly relvant.
One more thing. If anyone of us decide to choose some other place to be this spot of the Worl politcal relevance, he has to inform others about it in a manner of TOP (transparen, open, public), so in this case members who will create this network will sooner or later clock this network to the place that will be part of the global World movement.
So, do you acklaim this place. TOP-plolitics to be your place in this very moment?
In this statement, there is no if/than/else, but just acknowledgment that this network will start to matter sooner, or later, with TOP-politics be central place, or just side network ready for new place to move.
Please, do not use this topic for any other discussion, but to acknowledgment of the group in this very moment and if you decide not do it in one moment, please use this topic to get out.
As long as this mind path did lead me to the possibility of going out from this acknowledgment, I will open new topic, just to see who does agree about obligation of public notice of other group/site/place for this use.
So, Magnus, Emmanuel. Yes or no for the first statement? Others?
ATB;
GalePS. Sorry for not being clear in the first moment, though I did not have this part too clear to me to the moment I wrote this post.
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25/05/06 06:28
Re: Do you acknowledge this group to be a start for your initiatives on the global level?
Maybe some clearing of the idea Gale wanted to present here. Let TOP be what it was ment to be – a network of different initiatives relying on the TOP principles of political action. I think Gale just wanted to formalize this – let this group be the formal starting point for all of your initiatives. E.g. put a link on the web site of your initiative, if you make contact to other similar initiatives invite them to this network (group), let this be the common interface for interinitiative discussion.
Best regards
— Markus Schatten, dipl. inf.
e-mail: markus.schatten@foi.hr
http://www.tiaktiv.hr
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30/05/06 10:06
Re: Do you acknowledge this group to be a start for your initiatives on the global level?
Markus Schatten wrote:
> Maybe some clearing of the idea Gale wanted to present here. Let TOP be what > it was ment to be – a network of different initiatives relying on the TOP > principles of political action.
Thank you Markus for helping me out on this part. As long as I do find this part esential for our own work, I am willing to use a little bit more energy to make it as clear and as simple as possible, having a thought this part would be really usefull for this group.
> I think Gale just wanted to formalize this - > let this group be the formal starting point for all of your initiatives. E.g. > put a link on the web site of your initiative, if you make contact to other > similar initiatives invite them to this network (group), let this be the > common interface for interinitiative discussion.
This is a good idea. Yet, I do not force this thing to be this group. It can be any group at all. Of course, I suppose TOP is something people on this group who prefer sharing ideas and World solidarity could find undesrandable.
ATB,
Gale> > Best regards > > — > Markus Schatten, dipl. inf. > e-mail: markus.schatten@foi.hr > http://www.tiaktiv.hr
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This I acknowledge! ;-)
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30/05/06 10:06
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30/05/06 05:16
"Clarity of Focus"; Re: Do you acknowledge this group to be a start for your initiatives on the global level?
Gale;
I desire to support your “clarity of focus”,
but i am not sure precisely what you are trying to say.Can you state your proposition
precisely & completely in one paragraph, & in less than 2 sentences?Your desired “clarity of focus”
needs clarity of proposition, sir.Charles … ************************************* illegale wrote:
> Magnus, I am not talking about life long attachment, just about this > very moment. > > This does not mean any need for group hegemony of thought, but about > very idea that if you can not get any worker to your side on this list > in this moment, to look for some other ideas you could do it. > > This actually means that if you find in the World somebody who shares > your ideas you will work on, to invite him to this group, to make your > arguments more influentive, more interesting, more mind engaging to > othr members of the group. > > This means that you do not use this group just as one of many internet > pits, but as a pit that you accept as political World content. > > To show it for one exact example. I try to do something. It does not > pass. I go on and in the same time I do disucss here and there with > other members about oall sort of issues.But, I do not have any need to > look for partnerships on this group, meaning I do not invest anything > to it. > > What I want is to see the group that will have tendency of political > relevance. That if something goes on on the Worl level, to know what is > going on, to have conrete place where I can get ingformations about > it, having one place that wil offer me possibility of being adequately > informed about World initiatives. > > I want to get the oportunity too choose by my own mind how shall I > invest my energy, with no reason to worry about being not properly > informed, of inventing hot water in the moment some group of the people > started doing stuff that has strenght to become World movemvent. > > I do believe in political information revolution that is going to > happen thanks to the internet, I want to be part of it, to be in it > soon as possible and this is what I need To become hat part. Forum, > group that is politicaly relvant. > > One more thing. If anyone of us decide to choose some other place to > be this spot of the Worl politcal relevance, he has to inform others > about it in a manner of TOP (transparen, open, public), so in this case > members who will create this network will sooner or later clock this > network to the place that will be part of the global World movement. > > So, do you acklaim this place. TOP-plolitics to be your place in this > very moment? > > In this statement, there is no if/than/else, but just acknowledgment > that this network will start to matter sooner, or later, with > TOP-politics be central place, or just side network ready for new place > to move. > > Please, do not use this topic for any other discussion, but to > acknowledgment of the group in this very moment and if you decide not > do it in one moment, please use this topic to get out. > > As long as this mind path did lead me to the possibility of going out > from this acknowledgment, I will open new topic, just to see who does > agree about obligation of public notice of other group/site/place for > this use. > > So, Magnus, Emmanuel. Yes or no for the first statement? Others? > > ATB; > Gale > > PS. Sorry for not being clear in the first moment, though I did not > have this part too clear to me to the moment I wrote this post. > > > > > > >
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30/05/06 14:20
Re: "Clarity of Focus"; Re: Do you acknowledge this group to be a start for your initiatives on the global level?
charles.opensource je napisao/la:
> Gale; > > I desire to support your “clarity of focus”, > but i am not sure precisely what you are trying to say.
Thank you Charles for your support.
Let me start from another way. Internet is based on many, more or less closed clusters on the World level. Of course, there are individual nods that link those clusters, yet as long as these nods are not public, they are actually politically irelevant, not enabling fast info flow.
What I am looking for is creation of these public nods that will actually cover all progressive political sphere in the World in a manner that every single individual if interested in progressive stream could in not more than 20 click (random number ,of course) get into current state of the World most progressive initiaivs.
I do fully believe that revoltion that is going to happen is actually internet revolution and protagonsit of that revolution are us. As long as we can not clearly notice what is gong to be starting point of this great internet revolution that is in front of us, what we can do right now is to create this public network, public nods, connecting interested political activist, that can be used in the moment something strong enough happens.
So. We can optimise this network, create these nods from ourselves. TOP politics is what I consider to be one of these nods. Not the only one, but one of them. This nod actually links several world initiatives, yet I do believe there are at least several dozens of simmilar initiatives that might share the same basic interest, wanting to enable this public network.
Now, how can we do it? We have to point out clearly what nods do we acknowledge in this very time to be our basic view to the World. We can link this nod to other nods on the World level, so in a couple, or maybe several nods we can network among each other on the World level.
This is what I find be a great tool for search of simmilar thinkers, those who are needed to make each one of these initiatives become politically relevant. Maybe what is more important, this optimisation of the info flow can help us learn much more thanks to other participants of these networks.
If something promissing happens anywhere in the World, we can easily move our focus of action to these initaitves that are eventually found the “holy grail”, or at least missing link for our own initiatives empowering them in a right manner.
What I can notice is that every single one of us belong to pioneers of the new political era based on information. If we do not optimise poentials that are in our hands, being pioneers of info era, than we should probably give up from this work as long as this is in my opinion clear notice that we are not able to work this out not even for ourselves, especially not for the World, something we are aiming at.
One pretty improtant notice. In the time I entered internet politics, there was Steven Clift (if I remind good) who was great e-democracy authority, at least in his own eyes. That very man never had forum/open mailing list not anything that would enable free info flow, making me believe that he missed the whole point of the new era. If we start doing this stuff properly, we can create new politcal trend in the world internet pollitics, at least among internet population in a manner that this can actually not happened in the internet any more.
I can also notice that leading world journals and us parties do not have either TOP communication cannel as long as I do believe is that they are actually afraid of the free information. If we made them politcally irrelevant unless they loose that feeling, we could actually create great impact towards great internet revolution/ infromatisation of the politics in every single level which is common goal of democratically oriented people.
When I say democratically, this means that people must now as long as they are the rulers. In the other hand those who are actually not democrats, who actually base their power on mistificaitons and illusions would not like this rapid informatisation, yet I as a democratically orientaed person have no problem with lost of the power of these political structures.
All of this can start by this easy acknowledgment of the NOD, the place you use officially for the world political communication. I suppose that NOD needs to be TOP in a manner of connecting to other NODs that can link each initiative through a couple of nods and dozens of the users who create these nods and free networks who enable their stability.
ATB;
Gale> > Can you state your proposition > precisely & completely in one paragraph, > & in less than 2 sentences? > > Your desired “clarity of focus” > needs clarity of proposition, sir. > > Charles … > > ************************************* > illegale wrote: > > Magnus, I am not talking about life long attachment, just about this > > very moment. > > > > This does not mean any need for group hegemony of thought, but about > > very idea that if you can not get any worker to your side on this list > > in this moment, to look for some other ideas you could do it. > > > > This actually means that if you find in the World somebody who shares > > your ideas you will work on, to invite him to this group, to make your > > arguments more influentive, more interesting, more mind engaging to > > othr members of the group. > > > > This means that you do not use this group just as one of many internet > > pits, but as a pit that you accept as political World content. > > > > To show it for one exact example. I try to do something. It does not > > pass. I go on and in the same time I do disucss here and there with > > other members about oall sort of issues.But, I do not have any need to > > look for partnerships on this group, meaning I do not invest anything > > to it. > > > > What I want is to see the group that will have tendency of political > > relevance. That if something goes on on the Worl level, to know what is > > going on, to have conrete place where I can get ingformations about > > it, having one place that wil offer me possibility of being adequately > > informed about World initiatives. > > > > I want to get the oportunity too choose by my own mind how shall I > > invest my energy, with no reason to worry about being not properly > > informed, of inventing hot water in the moment some group of the people > > started doing stuff that has strenght to become World movemvent. > > > > I do believe in political information revolution that is going to > > happen thanks to the internet, I want to be part of it, to be in it > > soon as possible and this is what I need To become hat part. Forum, > > group that is politicaly relvant. > > > > One more thing. If anyone of us decide to choose some other place to > > be this spot of the Worl politcal relevance, he has to inform others > > about it in a manner of TOP (transparen, open, public), so in this case > > members who will create this network will sooner or later clock this > > network to the place that will be part of the global World movement. > > > > So, do you acklaim this place. TOP-plolitics to be your place in this > > very moment? > > > > In this statement, there is no if/than/else, but just acknowledgment > > that this network will start to matter sooner, or later, with > > TOP-politics be central place, or just side network ready for new place > > to move. > > > > Please, do not use this topic for any other discussion, but to > > acknowledgment of the group in this very moment and if you decide not > > do it in one moment, please use this topic to get out. > > > > As long as this mind path did lead me to the possibility of going out > > from this acknowledgment, I will open new topic, just to see who does > > agree about obligation of public notice of other group/site/place for > > this use. > > > > So, Magnus, Emmanuel. Yes or no for the first statement? Others? > > > > ATB; > > Gale > > > > PS. Sorry for not being clear in the first moment, though I did not > > have this part too clear to me to the moment I wrote this post. > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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