Re: SV: Our discussion today - neweurope.org

Andreas Heindl — 2006-04-04 17:37:04+0200

Hi!

Sorry that I write but now…

Too bad that I could not join your discussion yesterday – but at the moment I am busy to organise an event in Munich. For that reason, I am not able to join your discussion tomorrow in the afternoon. I have to pull the brake for a few days – sorry.

I just galloped through the “Charter 47”, visited your site and checked out the links. Sounds very interesting and promising!

Read more… / Lire plus…

My proposal would be to discuss next week on the phone. We have to learn to know each other finitely! Please keep me posted about your conversation!

Looking forward for the next phone discussion.

Best,

Andreas

— Citizens of Europe
http://www.c-o-e.net

Andreas Heindl
Secretary General
andreas.heindl@c-o-e.net

Am 04.04.2006 15:49 Uhr schrieb “Søren Winther Lundby” unter <soren@nyteuropa.org>:

Hi Klaus, Can we talk tomorrow? The links looks very interesting – easier to discuss them on the phone. What about 4PM CET tomorrow? ;-) S*

—-Oprindelig meddelelse-— Fra: Klaus [mailto:klaus@hammermueller.at] Sendt: 3. april 2006 17:23 Til: Søren Winther Lundby Cc: Emmanuel Charpentier; Andreas Heindl Emne: Our discussion today – neweurope.org

Just to sum things up, what we’ve discussed:

(1) Funding – is a problem because of lack of money for the participatory E.U. initiative

but

a successful participatory initiative should be able to rise money from the people anyhow, as the Dean campaign did proove:

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=ausdauersport-21&c amp=1638&creative=6742&path=ASIN%2F0060779594%2Fqid%3D1137135227%2Fsr%3D8-2%2F ref%3Dsr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl

-> we would need to be THAT good!

I don’t worry about the money first but how to aggregate sufficient attention from people. (Money can’t buy eyeballs) If we con “inspire” people the money will follow. (e.g. see google)

(2) Communication tools – the technology is ready (even the legal base is in place) – modern tools need to be applied to communication processes. That would enable to leverage from “the wisdom of crowds”. Some examples how crowds can be smart (or not so smart):

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=ausdauersport-21&c amp=1638&creative=6742&path=ASIN%2F0349117071%2Fqid%3D1131952759%2Fsr%3D8-1%2F ref%3Dsr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl

=> Modern communication technology enables real “two way” communication between literally millions of people in real time.

(just one example: IBM did this with 350.000 employees in an online-discussion which took place 72h around the globe – the results are used to restructure the company)

=> The challenge is to ask the “right” questions

(3) How to pull things together?

If people believe that their input “matters” they will flock to that site

If many people are on a site our representatives will pay attention

If representatives pay attention more people will participate on that site …

We might start with the people or with or representative, or both … we just need to get the engine going:

Pick the right topics which are on the people’s agenda

Get representatives committed to listen, care – and to fight for the results

Let’s make a follow up confcall …

Enjoy, Klaus

Re: SV: Our discussion today - neweurope.org

Emmanuel Charpentier — 2006-04-04 16:04:43+0200

That should be fine for me, but as late as possible, about 19h Paris time for example. Otherwise I work and am not able to use skype.

Of course there remains google talk (echarp@gmail.com), msn (echarp@hotmail.com) and irc.freenode.net #parlement onto which I’m available any time, well, any time during day time! :)

echarp