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[top-politics] Re: CLD2 Voting Program Questions
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On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 01:52:21PM -0700, illegale wrote:
> charles.opensource je napisao/la: > > echarp said: > > > Basically, from what I can gather this tool aims to: > > > * propose categorise and reword issues (only for administrators) > > > > This is probably accurate, but a bit vague, i believe. > > Anyone can propose categories, or specific questions or propositions. > > Only the administrator has access to entering the categories or > > questions/propositions. > > This is what I find be a big conceptual problem. Democracy is based on > equality, you did not enable equality on your site.
Yes.
And to have some administrators be in charge of things which can be left in the care of citizens seem like an un democratic move.
> > I see no realistic/workable way around this if any voting program is > > to be run with any degree of efficiency. > > http://kovach.web.srk.fer.hr/tiaktiv/index.php?mode=projekt_forum&jezik=en
Interesting forum idea. Just bits of complexity here and there that I think are not required, but still very interesting.
> The rough ideas is that everyone can do whatever he thinks it is right. > If you agree with the one, choose his filter and accept him be your > “administrator”. You can be administrator too, yet only those who find > you be the good one for you will acknowledge you. Or
Everybody can propose issues any place in the tree of issues. Be it a new issue or a copy or rewording of an existing one.
Citizens vote on those issues they think are interesting (or delegate their voice to someone who can also do it), when you visit the tree you only consult those elements with scores above a limit you set, the tree organises itself…
> > Someone has to be in change of organizing the data. > > OK. Yet. Why should I accept you be better than me? Only because that > you administer that? Peaches and oragnes, does not work.
Every body can be in charge of organising the data.
echarp – http://leparlement.org
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echarp wrote:
> +1 > > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 01:52:21PM -0700, illegale wrote: > > charles.opensource je napisao/la: > > > echarp said: > > > > Basically, from what I can gather this tool aims to: > > > > * propose categorise and reword issues (only for administrators) > > > > > > This is probably accurate, but a bit vague, i believe. > > > Anyone can propose categories, or specific questions or propositions. > > > Only the administrator has access to entering the categories or > > > questions/propositions. > > > > This is what I find be a big conceptual problem. Democracy is based on > > equality, you did not enable equality on your site. > > Yes. > > And to have some administrators be in charge of things which can be left > in the care of citizens seem like an un democratic move. > > > > I see no realistic/workable way around this if any voting program is > > > to be run with any degree of efficiency. > > > > http://kovach.web.srk.fer.hr/tiaktiv/index.php?mode=projekt_forum&jezik=en > > Interesting forum idea. Just bits of complexity here and there that I > think are not required, but still very interesting. > > > The rough ideas is that everyone can do whatever he thinks it is right. > > If you agree with the one, choose his filter and accept him be your > > “administrator”. You can be administrator too, yet only those who find > > you be the good one for you will acknowledge you. > > Or
No need for OR. I assume it can be AND. Right?
> Everybody can propose issues any place in the tree of issues. Be it a > new issue or a copy or rewording of an existing one. > > Citizens vote on those issues they think are interesting (or delegate > their voice to someone who can also do it), when you visit the tree you > only consult those elements with scores above a limit you set, the tree > organises itself… > > > > Someone has to be in change of organizing the data. > > > > OK. Yet. Why should I accept you be better than me? Only because that > > you administer that? Peaches and oragnes, does not work. > > Every body can be in charge of organising the data. > > echarp – http://leparlement.org
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>Every body can be in charge of organising the data.
-If they are supported by a good system, yes.
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