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On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 05:10:22PM -0000, MG wrote:
> > Sorry, but I can point toward many many wars, the onset of insanity, > > that accumulated support of their population over many years. > > -No, this accumulated insanity was concentrated to a few. > If not, the insanity was used by a few by populistic manors. > With more democracy, too many would have been involved to allow for > these personal mistakes by these corrupted “leaders”. > Show me one example that I’m wrong.
First world war…
echarp – http://leparlement.org
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>First world war…
Come on! Do you really regard the political situation around 1:st world war to be a democratic one?
An environement free to anyone to express and debate the shortcomings on the first attack (don’t remember wich one that was)? A working democracy with the possibilitry to stop such an attack? I don’t think so.
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On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:09:28AM -0000, MG wrote:
> > >First world war… > > Come on! Do you really regard the political situation around 1:st world > war to be a democratic one?
Both population actually wanted war. They craved and asked for it!
> An environement free to anyone to express and debate the shortcomings > on the first attack (don’t remember wich one that was)?
Germans using the Schlieffen plan. The one that was reused during WWII, but much more efficiently (it’s incredible how faster than conscripts tanks can go).
All of Europe, had been preparing for war for decades. Populations wanted it as much as anybody. In France everybody was singing songs about Alsace and Lorrain, both departments parts of Germany since 1870. The soldiers on both sides actually went to war with flowers in their rifles (I don’t remember the English expression for “fleur au fusil”).
Those are the short comings of nationalism…
Yes, hopefully a proper TOP democratic process could open the eyes of all those involved, but there is no certitude about that, and there can never be…
echarp – http://echarp.org/blog
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-You describe yourself wrong… Nationalism is one form of bad populism.
Populism is not likely with TOP in place, because nationalism started by corrupt leaders using the masses for their own goals. Tell me one nationalistic movement without a criminal leader behind. It’s very big words to say that ALL citzens (or even the majorities of them) wanted war..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revanchism
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 02:25:03PM -0000, MG wrote:
> -You describe yourself wrong…
I do apologize if I don’t express myself properly.
> Nationalism is one form of bad populism.
They are linked yes. But I don’t believe that they require criminal leaders to exist.
> Populism is not likely with TOP in place, because nationalism started > by corrupt leaders using the masses for their own goals.
Sorry, this is one easy explanation I’d rather not over use. A nation can be wrong, a democracy can be wrong. I have no problem with that and will not resort to “corrupt leaders” to explain it away.
Hopefully yes, transparency will drastically improve the quality of our democratic decisions, but they nonetheless will be wrong at times!
> Tell me one nationalistic movement without a criminal leader behind. > It’s very big words to say that ALL citzens (or even the majorities of > them) wanted war..
I do believe that most of France wanted WWI, same with Germany and WWII.
By the way, here is a huge political reading: Discourse on Voluntary Servitude
Written by 18 year old “La Boetie” some 5 centuries ago.
echarp – http://leparlement.org
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>Hopefully yes, transparency will drastically improve the quality of our democratic decisions, but they nonetheless will be wrong at times!
-Agreed
>I do believe that most of France wanted WWI, same with Germany and WWII.
-If this is a commonly accepted thruth (which I dount) it must be wrong. I don’t know about France but in Germany, WW2, there was a criminal leader involved at least..
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MG wrote:
> >Hopefully yes, transparency will drastically improve the quality of our > democratic decisions, but they nonetheless will be wrong at times! > > -Agreed
Somebody said that only in democracies decisions might be wrong.
ATB,
Gale
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