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[top-politics] Re: What do we all agree about in this very time?
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>G: So, is there any one against liberty? Is there any system that is against liberty? If you name one (I do not know what is up wit nazzi stuff) I will acknowledge it. If there is no one, than it seems to me that you are using concepts that buzz the essence which is not good.
>ec: No one will openly go against liberty. Yet, discounting most of humanity for exemple (as Mark does),…
-M: Doink! Your EC-D has accumulative voting just like SD2 does, where everyone is started at the same voting power.
You just seem to think that happy-feel-good marketing magicly makes a difference.
You seem to be DISHONEST with yourself and others.>ec:…is a negation of liberty. One man one vote!
-M: “Oh wow! Emmanuel is so advanced, and Mark is so evil.” we are supposed to say, with a lemming-like glaze in our eyes.
shanti
Mark, Seattle WA USA
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It’s simple mark:
PROVE THAT HUMAN BEINGS CAN NOT BE ENTRUSTED WITH THEIR OWN LIFE
Philosophically, politically, psychologically…
You can only repeat and repeat, you never demonstrate. You consider yourself a democrat yet you can only envision a few directors who would direct everybody else.
You discount the world, you insult most of humanity, this is not democratic. It’s elitist and inconsistent, complex and vain.
echarp – http://leparlement.org
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:57:18AM -0700, Mark wrote:
> You seem to be DISHONEST with yourself and others. > > >ec:…is a negation of liberty. One man one vote! > > -M: “Oh wow! Emmanuel is so advanced, and Mark is so evil.” > we are supposed to say, with a lemming-like glaze in our eyes.
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>ec: It’s simple mark: PROVE THAT HUMAN BEINGS CAN NOT BE ENTRUSTED WITH THEIR OWN LIFE Philosophically, politically, psychologically…
-M: Strawman. You are not comparing SD2 with EC-D, and you are being painfully PRESUMPTUOUS AGAIN!
>ec: You can only repeat and repeat, you never demonstrate.
-M: I debate SD2 better than you debate EC-D – the evidence is your DODGING!(“meet me in an EU Constitution group” you say like a dodge-wussy.)
>ec: You consider yourself a democrat yet you can only envision a few directors who would direct everybody else.
-M: Doink! The directors are only the generative initial condition. They would create decentralized structures under them. (SD2 is autopoietic – maybe you should study systems theory.)
>ec: You discount the world, you insult most of humanity,…
-M: I describe the world truthfully. Your judgements of my correct descriptions are your own.
>ec:…this is not democratic. It’s elitist and inconsistent, complex and vain.
-M: Your elite anti-elitism is inconsistent. And your failure to realize that EC-D is more elitist and complex than SD2 shows your vanity.
shanti
Mark, Seattle WA USA
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