[top-politics] Re: echarp(2) magnus(1) Re: Question for Eric

echarp — 2006-07-11 13:20:15+0200

On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 03:42:41AM -0700, illegale wrote:

> As long as Leparlement is actually copying whole communication that is > being done at top – politics, we do not either risk anything if we keep > top politics as basic node and Leparlement as an option everyone can > actually choose to be primary one.

Just don’t forget that information goes from google groups to the parlement server, not the other way.

google groups => parlement

[top-politics] Re: echarp(2) magnus(1) Re: Question for Eric

illegale — 2006-07-11 12:42:41+0200

lpc1998 wrote:

> Many thanks, Emmanuel, for your patience in explaining the functioning of http://leparlement.org/test . Magnus’ proposal quoted below sounds interesting. The site appears superior to Google’s and it comes with the free services of a software engineer too: > > The Magnus Proposal: > > “Maybe we could start off in a new, better forum with voting capabilies, > like ”http://leparlement.org/test">http://leparlement.org/test" > > > However, before I vote for it, I would like to have the views of Gale and Markus on the Magnus proposal. So what say you, Gale and Markus?

When I think of moving to another platform, I think of how many people can it stand in this very moment. Google has showed it can carry about 100 people with no bigger problems which is respectfull. On the other hand, software Emmanuel is developing is not yet tested, especially not in bigger numbers, so we have no tradition we can rely on.

Read more… / Lire plus…

In order of not going into eventual dead end, my suggestion is to make sure into this software capabilities, help Emmanuel to eventually improve them in order to be maximally safe that we are not going in wrong direction. In this way, what I find very important, we do not have to worry about loosing capital this group already has as long as it is promoted around at several places, but we can make it actually prosper.

As long as Leparlement is actually copying whole communication that is being done at top – politics, we do not either risk anything if we keep top politics as basic node and Leparlement as an option everyone can actually choose to be primary one.

ATB,
Gale

> > Best Regards > Eric Lim > > > > echarp <emmanuel.charpentier@free.fr> wrote: > > > > A standard mbox could also be distributed. > > > > Would you elaborate on this? > > An mbox is the classical format of a mail box. Basically a simple flat > file. > > Mails are the protocol used in parlement. Basically it’s a mailing list > server. > > > > There is no way (but for the admin) to remove or modify an existing > > > post. In the future I expect the addition of PGP signatures, an > > > admin will then only be able to remove content. > > > > Is it possible to give admin powers to the elected leader of our group for the > > TOP directory only in your website without having access to the other > > directories? > > The goal is to allow anybody willing, to be an administrator in a P2P > network of servers. > > Removing or modifying a post is not a feature, it’s just the logical > flaw with a server. With PGP signatures, modifications will be made > impossible, but there will still be the possibility to block or remove a > post. > > The way to go around that flaw is that users will have to be aware of > it, and check that their posts are replicated on at least one other > server. > > > > They are all public, just click on a result, they should appear in a > > > popup. I don’t plan to have anonymous votes anytime in the future, > > > but a voter’s relationship with his real life identity can/could be > > > made anonymous. > > > > Thanks. What about the members of the Electoral List? > > Also fully public. And anybody will be able to create and manage any > number of electoral list. > > Right now this is not possible, everybody is in the global list, and > there is no filter yet. > > But I’m planning it for the coming weeks. Users coming on the server > will see all available lists, and will choose which one they want to > follow, and indicate the threshold under which posts will be hidden. > > For example a poll asking: > – are software patents stupid? > > To vote you go on the website, login, and vote, or you reply with a mail > containing the string 1, 0 or +1 (the vote has to be at the beginning > of a line). > > Using the electoral list “TOP” (containing 5 members) the result could > be +4. > > A visitor can select the TOP list, and indicate a threshold of +2, which > means that this poll will be visible. Another visitor using the same > list could select a threshold of +5, which means it will not be visible. > > An electoral list acts as a moderators group. > > > > > 4 What are the terms and conditions for the use of the website?; > > > > > > There are none as of now. I’m open to suggestions. The software > > > itself is under the GPL. > > > > Okay, maybe, it is premature at this stage. We shall discuss them when > > the time comes. > > Right now I believe it’s under the classical copyright laws and > treaties, everybody’s post is his own. > > echarp – (feels nauseous after an evening of pizza and beer) > > > > > —0-820335436-1152550427=:58328 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Google-AttachSize: 4179 > >

Many thanks, Emmanuel, for your patience in explaining the functioning of http://leparlement.org/test . Magnus’ proposal quoted below sounds interesting. The site appears superior to Google’s and it comes with the free services of a software engineer too:

The Magnus Proposal:

“Maybe we could start off in a new, better forum with voting capabilies,
like ”http://leparlement.org/test" target=_blank>http://leparlement.org/test"

However, before I vote for it, I would like to have the views of Gale and Markus on the Magnus proposal. So what say you, Gale and Markus?

Best Regards

Eric Lim

echarp <emmanuel.charpentier@free.fr> wrote:

> > A standard mbox could also be distributed.
>
> Would you elaborate on this?

An mbox is the classical format of a mail box. Basically a simple flat
file.

Mails are the protocol used in parlement. Basically it’s a mailing list
server.

> > There is no way (but for the admin) to remove or modify an existing
> > post. In the future I expect the addition of PGP signatures, an
> > admin will then only be able to remove content.
>
> Is it possible to give admin powers to the elected leader of our group for the
> TOP directory only in your website without having access to the other
> directories?

The goal is to allow anybody willing, to be an administrator in a P2P
network of servers.

Removing or modifying a post is not a feature, it’s just the logical
flaw with > a server. With PGP signatures, modifications will be made
impossible, but there will still be the possibility to block or remove a
post.

The way to go around that flaw is that users will have to be aware of
it, and check that their posts are replicated on at least one other
server.

> > They are all public, just click on a result, they should appear in a
> > popup. I don’t plan to have anonymous votes anytime in the future,
> > but a voter’s relationship with his real life identity can/could be
> > made anonymous.
>
> Thanks. What about the members of the Electoral List?

Also fully public. And anybody will be able to create and manage any
number of electoral list.

Right now this is not possible, everybody is in the global list, and
there is no filter yet.

But I’m planning it for the coming weeks. Users coming on the server
will see all available lists, and will choose which > one they want to
follow, and indicate the threshold under which posts will be hidden.

For example a poll asking:
are software patents stupid?

To vote you go on the website, login, and vote, or you reply with a mail
containing the string -1, 0 or +1 (the vote has to be at the beginning
of a line).

Using the electoral list “TOP” (containing 5 members) the result could
be +4.

A visitor can select the TOP list, and indicate a threshold of +2, which
means that this poll will be visible. Another visitor using the same
list could select a threshold of +5, which means it will not be visible.

An electoral list acts as a moderators group.

> > > 4 What are the terms and conditions for the use of the website?;
> >
> > There are none as of now. I’m open to suggestions. The software
> > itself is under the GPL.
>
> Okay, maybe, it is premature at this stage. We shall > discuss them when
> the time comes.

Right now I believe it’s under the classical copyright laws and
treaties, everybody’s post is his own.

echarp – (feels nauseous after an evening of pizza and beer)

al copyright laws and
treaties, everybody’s post is his own.

echarp – (feels nauseous after an evening of pizza and beer)

[top-politics] Re: echarp(2) magnus(1) Re: Question for Eric

tony — 2006-07-11 13:32:07+0200

[top-politics] Re: echarp(2) magnus(1) Re: Question for Eric

tony — 2006-07-11 13:31:58+0200

[top-politics] Re: echarp(2) magnus(1) Re: Question for Eric

tony — 2006-07-11 13:31:24+0200

[top-politics] Re: echarp(2) magnus(1) Re: Question for Eric

illegale — 2006-07-11 13:27:56+0200

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